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do we mean just raising taxes? isn't most of the austerity in europe raising taxes? >> no. >> not in greece? >> it would actually be starting to collect taxes. >> we raise taxes, which have to do with the middle class -- >> that's the austerity you're talking about, raising taxes? >> yes. >> and also the cutting of wages. we have a dramatic cut in wages, not only in the public sector, but also in the private sector. because the economy, the basis itself on small and medium enterprises, which mainly produce for the domestic market, this has been a distraction. we have lost a lot of jobs, a lot of company, the private sector in a very bad state, in a country which was growing with a rate of more than 4%. but this double -- >> so much more than you were taking in at that point. there's a deficit that has to be paid off. and the measures you're talking about, technology and organizing the economy could take a long time to kick in. >> this is correct. but the main problem in greece was always state revenues. because they do not tax the rates. they allow tax evasion for the weal
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